Jubilees south of Mangotsfield

tonyperks · Post by **tonyperks** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:57 pm

Can any one tell me if Jubilee's ever worked south of mangotsfield?, if not what was the reson ?

the green mile · Post by **the green mile** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:42 pm

If you mean south into Bristol, definitely. Barrow Road had its own small allocation. Not sure about the line into Bath Green Park.

Pines Alan · Post by **Pines Alan** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Bath Green Park was also visited by Jubilee class locos - are you after a particular loco or date?

tonyperks · Post by **tonyperks** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:48 pm

Thanks No specifics I was asked by a friend the other day if they had worked down to Btah and i couldnt recall ever reading or seeing a photo of one down there, but if you have some numbers that would be grand, I am Building a Virtual Model of the line from Bath To St phillips and on up to and maybe past yate, In Train Simulator 2010(Railworks)
shots below of wip:

at Mangotsfield North Jnc

Fishponds in the rain

and Bath Mpd all early shots with minimal scenics done.

Marsh'Un · Post by **Marsh'Un** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:14 am

The Jubilees allocated to 82E as at Jan 1960 were;
45572/77, 45651/60/62/82/85/90/99.
All bar 45682/85/90 were transferred away (To Shrewsbury?) in September 1961, when Bath Road `Peaks` appeared on the scene.

The `terrific trio` of Trafalgar, Barfleur and Leander soldiered on until 1964, 45685/90 being withdrawn in March and 45682 coming to an untimely end in July whilst working on the BTM-Bath Green park line.
(A certain contributor on this site could provide more details!)

It is fair to say that during the 50`s/early sixties, the `Jubs` were the pride of Barrow Road. Many photos exist in magazines/books of 82E Jubilees on passenger workings, invariably showing a clean, well kept engine.

The father of a work colleague was a driver on the 82E passenger link in the 1950-58 era, and was adamant the the best of the bunch was 45660 `Rooke`.
Another workmate once scrounged a lift on the footplate of 45662 `Kempenfelt ` from Gloucester to BTM in the early 1960`s. (Lucky blighter!)

I know that Leeds Holbeck `Jubs` were regular visitors to Bristol during 1962-63 (and presumably much earlier), but do not know of any regular workings of the class to Bath Green Park.

I have a photo of 45690 on shed at 82F - apart from the earlier reference
to 45682, I can offer no other info.

Punker · Post by **Punker** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:25 am

The screenshots look very good Tony. Do you have any shots of the Greenbank incline and how far away are you fron finishing it?

Punker · Post by **Punker** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:35 am

Regarding the Jubilee's. There is a good shot of one passing Kingswood Junction below. Not a photograph I've seen before but very interesting.

www.davidheyscollection.com/page2.htm

tonyperks · Post by **tonyperks** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:05 am

where is the Green bank incline? ive not heard that before, still quite a ways off finishing I am still track laying at the moment but i can run a train from Bath through to yate and on up to Thornbury, or through Mangotsfield down Kingswood bank to Lawrence hill junction where I am busy laying out Barrow Road and St phillips Station.

trafalgar45682 · Post by **trafalgar45682** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:48 pm

Of the Bristol Jubilees, 45685/90 were both withdrawn in March, within four days of each other. The last surviving Jubilee, 45682 Trafalgar, became something of a celebrity engine, kept in good external condition. It last worked on the 18 May when working a Bank Holiday Special from Bristol to Bath, fracturing a cylinder. It was withdrawn a fortnight later. The Summer of 1964 was still good for Jubilees in Bristol, with many of the Summer Saturday passenger turns being worked by them. By the beginnning of 1965 they were only occasional visitors to Bristol, mainly Leeds Holbeck engines, as all the Burton Jubilees had been withdrawn. Fittingly 45660 Rooke appeared in early January and 45699 Galatea stopped off for a week on shed at the end of April, on its way from Eastleigh to Barry Scrapyard and eventual preservation. It is likely to steam in the near future.

Photos of Jubilees and of Fishponds Bank, Barrow Road Shed and Lawrence Hill can be found on the Flickr website below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolste ... 157165429/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolste ... 395704513/

the green mile · Post by **the green mile** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:54 pm

Greenbank incline (Greenbank is all one word) is better known as Fishponds bank. It ran from Lawrence Hill to Kingswood Junction. Greenbank is a district on the upside which consisted of rows of terraced villas, the Carson's chocolate factory and Greenbank Cemetery, where more than a few of my ancestors reside.

Punker · Post by **Punker** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:27 pm

Sorry, absolutely right it is Fishponds bank. It's just that I lived in Greenbank and always called it that.

tonyperks · Post by **tonyperks** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:57 pm

Ah Fishponds Bank yes i have laid that, no screenies yet I will get some in the next couple of days just for you.

BristleGWR · Post by **BristleGWR** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:21 pm

Here's a few shots from just before Rose Green Road to Fishponds station.

tonyperks · Post by **tonyperks** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:44 pm

Nice shots there, thanks, whats all the rubbish on the siding at Fishponds all about?

Robin Summerhill · Post by **Robin Summerhill** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:25 pm

Sorry for the delay in joing in this discussion - I've been in the back of beyond in Mauritius for the last fortnight where they haven't really got the hang of this 'ere internet thing - I don't think they've had the electric on that long

Now I'm in South Africa with internet access again so here goes:-

Jubilees would have appeared south of Mangotsfield from all of the ex-Midland sheds on the North East South West route that had them at the time. That would primarily have been from Holbeck, Derby and Saltley. There would also be cases of engines being "borrowed" to work south, so virtually anything could theoretically turn up that had landed on any of those three sheds might be seen in Bristol.

The "Burton jubilees" were a different matter entirely. 22 of them ended up at 17B during early 1962, mainly because they were being made redundant from passenger work through increasing dieselisation. Then came the bad winter of 1962/63 when class 6 and 7 steam power was again in some demand because of the high failure rate of the new diesels. Quite a few of the 22 were transferred back to Derby at that stage.

As regards Jubilees working to Bath Green Park, this did happen quite frequently but not as often as to Brisol, primarily beause the vast majority of the trains taking the Bath line from Mangotsfield North were well within the capabilities of class 5 power to handle.

There are also a number of recorded instances (and I'm sure I've seen at least one photograph in the last 12 months) of Jubilees working into Weston (usually Locking Road) with summer holiday traffic. My former Barrow Road fireman chum tells me that some Barrow Road men signed the road to Weston.