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Lulu wrote: So where is everybody nowadays? I am past 12 hrs filming on the platforms mark at all sorts of hours/days and not seen a single spotter.
They seem to appear in their hundreds every time a steam special passes through, in their dozens when a rare diesel passes through and may be a few will congregate whenever a freight is due but what else is there to see at Temple Meads these days?

Since most enthusiasts will have access to a great deal of information from various websites and mailing lists they will only visit Temple Meads and other similar stations when something that they want to see is scheduled to appear. With the same HSTs and units shuttling backwards and forwards day after day, there can be little of interest in the majority of workings through this once very interesting area.
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g4mby,

You are probably right. I seem to remember a lot of time spent waiting for things to appear, maybe that's where I got my level of patience from! I remeber schoolfriends going to great lengths to find out where locomotives were, from friendly train drivers or people "on the inside", and then only sharing this information with you if you were allowed to be in the know! They treated it like these were national secrets!!!!!

Now I check the internet, maybe because time is more pressing, and I can't while away 4 hours waiting for a special train that might turn up on the off chance. There we are then, trainspotting, the ideal thing to do when you have time on your hands! At least I wasn't hanging around street corners with the wrong crowd....just hanging around platforms with people with notebooks, binoculars, and cameras. Actually that sounds very worrying!
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I still make the occasional visits to Temple Meads, normally on a Tuesday when the nuclear flasks might run. There are usually a couple of other enthusiasts there, but not the numbers we remember from the 60s and 70s. Most of the workings are units with the freight workings to and from Portbury to provide the odd photographic opportunity. I have been an enthusiast for over 50 years now and I am not going to lose interest now, so I just enjoy the fresh air and a chat.
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I can recommend a book on this subject:

"Platform Souls" by Nicholas Whittaker. You can easily find it by Googling.

Very evocative read, some very salient points and almost painful nostalgia.
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mangotsfield_mauler wrote:Lulu,

You may use the Top of the Pops picture, if you need name for credits then I'll email you separately. I'm happy to be interviewed on camera, but I have nowhere near enough to say as the other chaps here.
MM, my email is filmingcontactATgmail.com
I still like to watch trains, my nephews of course love Thomas, so a Hornby train set often appears when they visit. BTM as a place always fascinated me as it's more like a cathedral than a station. Funnily enough my wedding reception was held in an old train station in the USA, in my wife's home town, but now we've settled back in Bristol. I no longer walk the platforms of BTM, unless I'm on the train to London for a meeting. I'm not even sure of the rules now for going on the station, whether you need a platform ticket etc.. It seems less friendly there somehow...
The buildings at BTM are incredible.

I appreciate the lack of attraction of the various modern locos for those from an earlier time, but where are today's saplings? Railways still hold some interest with teenagers (prior to girls and booze), but is this modern world so dreadful that nowadays teenagers are solely virtual trainspotters?
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Roger wrote:I still make the occasional visits to Temple Meads, normally on a Tuesday when the nuclear flasks might run. There are usually a couple of other enthusiasts there, but not the numbers we remember from the 60s and 70s. Most of the workings are units with the freight workings to and from Portbury to provide the odd photographic opportunity. I have been an enthusiast for over 50 years now and I am not going to lose interest now, so I just enjoy the fresh air and a chat.
There has not been anything to get excited about traffic wise. Even I noticed that....... I am lucky to be concentrating on the buildings really otherwise I'd be stuffed.
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Lulu wrote:I appreciate the lack of attraction of the various modern locos for those from an earlier time, but where are today's saplings? Railways still hold some interest with teenagers (prior to girls and booze), but is this modern world so dreadful that nowadays teenagers are solely virtual trainspotters?
Prior to girls and booze they would have to have a parent who was prepared to spend hours hanging around BTM with them - nowadays people just wouldn't let anyone under 15 spend lots of time alone on the station (or anywhere public).

I'm not sure if you can easily get onto the platforms at BTM without having a ticket for a journey somewhere anymore anyway?
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Unless theirs a special coming in its almost impossible to get on to the Platforms at BTM, Parkway or Bath Spa these days
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Post by mow »

Parallel Lines: Or Journeys on the Railway of Dreams (Paperback)
by Ian Marchant

Huge crowds appeared in 2007 to see Lord Nelson on one of the first runs since restoration.

http://michael527.fotopic.net/p39877148.html
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g4mby wrote:
Lulu wrote: So where is everybody nowadays? I am past 12 hrs filming on the platforms mark at all sorts of hours/days and not seen a single spotter.
They seem to appear in their hundreds every time a steam special passes through, in their dozens when a rare diesel passes through and may be a few will congregate whenever a freight is due but what else is there to see at Temple Meads these days?
Therein lies the rub! The railway has become so standardised in the last 30-40 years that, to me at least, there is very little to be interested in unless something out of the ordinary happens, such as a steam special.

All this is a far cry from the "old days," when there was enough going on to keep the interest of all but the most transient of enthusiasts.

For those not old enough to remember, these are the sorts of things you might have seen on an average Saturday morning in 1963:

Warship diesels and the occasional Western on all the Paddington trains - the Brush type 4s (class 47s) had yet to come, let alone the 50s!

NBL type 2s (D6300s) on the Portishead branch and ECS workings. Some Portisheads were steam hauled by standard class 3 2-6-2Ts. The Hymeks were beginning to appear and generally take over SPM steam turns, although they sometimes deputised on the GWR main line services.

A portion for the 1015 Paddington that arrived at about 0955 from the west, steam hauled and usually by a County 4-6-0

St Phillips Marsh retained passenger steam work on the Salisbury trains. Usually powered by Castles or Counties, with the occasional Hall thrown in for good measure

Pannier tanks shunting Bristol Goods, and trips freights between East and West depot, Stoke Gifford and Kingsland Road yards, powered by whatever was available!

Virtually all the local passenger services on the Gloucester line and some of the Midland main line trains were still steam worked, usually by Jubilees or Black 5s, but sometimes something more interesting would turn up like a Scot or a Brittania. The locals were almost invariably worked by Black 5s, Standard class 5s or LMS 4F 0-6-0s, that is until Goucester Barnwood closed in May 1964. Then their turns were transferred to Horton Road, and that resulted in GW steam stock appearing - Manors and the 4300 2-6-0s were often seen.

Just as an aside, we sometimes used to go home to Staple Hill or Mangotsfield on the 1052 SO local to Gloucester, simply because it was a DMU! That was something different in those days

LNER B1s appeared from time to time. If one was seen on Barrow Road shed it would almost certainly go home the next morning on the 0840 Sheffield. More B1s would be seen on summer Saturdays on relief trains - I once saw two in one day (61167 and 61169 on 20th July 1963)

The Blue Pullmans - not used in service on Saturdays but would be in Bath Road depot for servicing.

The Green Park trains - exclusively steam worked from Bath shed with class 2 or 3 2-6-2Ts. Some of the Bristol turns were also steam worked but Peaks and Hymeks were sometimes used on fill-in turns.

I'm sure some of the "older hands" around here can remember some more, and a few of their postings might jog my memory further!
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Post by Roger »

I remember those days well Robin. Sometimes the B1 would have worked down early and gone on to Weston Super Mare to bring a nortbound holiday express up from Locking Road.

On one occasion the Midland crew had awful problems getting a B1 away from what is now platform 5. There was uncontrolled wheel slip and it seemed to take an age to get past East Box before facing the climb to Fishponds.
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Post by andy hole »

I only moved to Bristol 8 years ago but in my first year as a student spent alot of time changing trains at BTM coming down from Parkway to go to Exeter St Davids. In the Days when we had loco hauled Virgin Cross Country trains (Class 47s with Mk2s) Spend many hours loco spotting while waiting for delayed trains to take me home to see my parents
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Indieras wrote:The Top of the Pops from BTM was in fact 30.08.1984

Jimmy Saville was on the HST and Howard Jones performed Like to Get to Know You Well on Platform 3.

My father in full GWR Uniform (circa 1900) greeted the train into the station, I know he has it on video somewhere, along with the Queens visit to the open up the old train shed after its refurb.

Be good
Someone has kindly sent shots of the TOTP event. I have one shot with two GWR guards in old uniforms, one person is known (father of someone at Didcot RC), the other is unknown - could this be your Dad? The owner of the pic would like to identify them.

I do not have anywhere to post pics online so email me at filmingcontactATgmail.com and I can send a copy.
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Does anyone know if anything became of Lulu's documentary on Temple Meads. It had the potential to be quite interesting.
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nickt wrote:Does anyone know if anything became of Lulu's documentary on Temple Meads. It had the potential to be quite interesting.
Hi Nick

Yes it came together, but was a vast disappointment (to us) due to the severe lack of funds, utter indifference of the distributor and difficulty obtaining funds from said distributor for expenses such as archive, location and even production costs. We couldn't even secure access to the old BTM station for goodness sake. I could say more, but it's probably not wise to do so.

I really wouldn't bother looking it out.

We hope to make a decent version when we find the right home for it.

Best wishes
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