extra trains to Castle Cary for Glastonbury Festival
extra trains to Castle Cary for Glastonbury Festival
Considering the Glastonbury festival is next week, it's surprising that Wessex Trains haven't announced details of the extra trains running to Castle Cary yet. Does anyone have any info on this? Will they be Class 31 hauled? I notice someone posted details of the extra trains to/from Weston Super Mare for the T4 on the Beach, but those also aren't mentioned on the Wessex website.
Here we go, times from SWRG and a brilliant comment that made me laugh 
From: "nat37670"
Date: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: Glastonbury Extra Trains nat37670
From what I've been told the Peds (31s) are on the CLC to SWI runs but on
the MONDAY ONLY. This is due to them being VERY expensive to hire and
VERY unlikely to last more than one day without shagging out. Am sure
someone will confirm (ie Mr Voyager Fotter)......
--- In SWRG, "lizardgen" wrote:
> Some extra trains for the Glastonbury Festival this week. unsure as
> to which ones are the Class 31's most probabily the some from
> Swindon.
>
Wednesday 22nd June
2Z83 0846 SWI to CLC 1100
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
5Z33 1122 CLC to PAD 1339
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
5Z84 1204 CLC to WSB 1225
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
2Z42 1330 TAU to CLC 1355
5Z42 1358 CLC to BRI 1503
1Z32 1215 PAD to CLC 1419
5Z50 1424 CLC to TAU 1444
1Z50 1459 TAU to CLC 1519
5L74 1524 CLC to SWI 1649
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
1Z33 1415 PAD to CLC 1602
5Z51 1612 CLC to TAU 1632
1Z51 1642 TAU to CLC 1702
1Z34 2040 SWI to CLC 2130
5Z54 2140 CLC to SPM 2305
5Z91 2335 CLC to WSB 2356
Thursday 23rd June
2Z83 0846 SWI to CLC 1100
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
5Z33 1122 CLC to PAD 1339
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
5Z84 1204 CLC to WSB 1225
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
2Z42 1330 TAU to CLC 1355
5Z42 1358 CLC to BRI 1503
1Z32 1215 PAD to CLC 1419
5Z50 1424 CLC to TAU 1444
1Z50 1459 TAU to CLC 1519
5L74 1524 CLC to SWI 1649
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
1Z33 1415 PAD to CLC 1602
5Z51 1612 CLC to TAU 1632
1Z51 1642 TAU to CLC 1702
1Z34 2040 SWI to CLC 2130
5Z54 2140 CLC to SPM 2305
5Z91 2335 CLC to WSB 2356
Friday 24th June
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
Monday 27th June
5Z04 0433 WSB to CLC 0453
5Z30 0342 SPM to CLC 0507
1Z30 0515 CLC to PAD 0714
5Z82 0622 WSB to CLC 0647
5Z31 0658 SPM to CLC 0825
1Z31 0840 CLC to PAD 1043
5Z52 0725 PAD to CLC 0859
1Z52 0910 CLC to TAU 0930
5Z32 0940 CLC to CLC 0959
5Z41 0938 WSB to CLC 1000
2Z41 1005 CLC to SWI 1103
1Z32 1010 CLC to PAD 1234
5Z51 0920 SWI to CLC 1035
1Z51 1045 CLC to TAU 1105
5Z33 1111 TAU to CLC 1133
5Z84 1147 SWI to CLC 1254
5Z34 1220 SWI to CLC 1333
1Z34 1345 CLC to PAD 1602
5Z37 1216 PAD to CLC 1413
1Z37 1423 CLC to RDG 1605
5Z34 1410 TAU to CLC 1429
5Z53 1248 PAD to CLC 1434
1Z53 1444 CLC to TAU 1504
5Z35 1510 TAU to CLC 1529
5Z56 1420 SWI to CLC 1534
1Z35 1540 CLC to SWI 1645
5Z86 1541 WSB to CLC 1610
5Z35 1510 TAU to CLC 1629
1Z35 1540 CLC to SWI 1645
1Z56 1540 CLC to TAU 1604
5Z86 1541 WSB to CLC 1610
5Z36 1614 TAU to CLC 1634
1Z36 1640 CLC to PAD 1859
5Z38 1701 SWI to CLC 1756
1Z38 1806 CLC to PAD 2005
5Z42 1840 WSB to CLC 1906
2Z42 1910 CLC to BRI 2009
>
>
> CLC = Castle Cary
> BRI = Bristol Temple Meads
> TAU = Taunton
> WSB = Westbury
> SWI = Swindon
> SPM = St Phillips Marsh
> RDG = Reading
Looks like another chance to catch the 31s on an unusual route. Castle Cary, Frome (I hope), Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon.
If there were still trains to Glastonbury it would make enough money to run the line for a year
From: "nat37670"
Date: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: Glastonbury Extra Trains nat37670
From what I've been told the Peds (31s) are on the CLC to SWI runs but on
the MONDAY ONLY. This is due to them being VERY expensive to hire and
VERY unlikely to last more than one day without shagging out. Am sure
someone will confirm (ie Mr Voyager Fotter)......
--- In SWRG, "lizardgen" wrote:
> Some extra trains for the Glastonbury Festival this week. unsure as
> to which ones are the Class 31's most probabily the some from
> Swindon.
>
Wednesday 22nd June
2Z83 0846 SWI to CLC 1100
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
5Z33 1122 CLC to PAD 1339
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
5Z84 1204 CLC to WSB 1225
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
2Z42 1330 TAU to CLC 1355
5Z42 1358 CLC to BRI 1503
1Z32 1215 PAD to CLC 1419
5Z50 1424 CLC to TAU 1444
1Z50 1459 TAU to CLC 1519
5L74 1524 CLC to SWI 1649
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
1Z33 1415 PAD to CLC 1602
5Z51 1612 CLC to TAU 1632
1Z51 1642 TAU to CLC 1702
1Z34 2040 SWI to CLC 2130
5Z54 2140 CLC to SPM 2305
5Z91 2335 CLC to WSB 2356
Thursday 23rd June
2Z83 0846 SWI to CLC 1100
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
5Z33 1122 CLC to PAD 1339
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
5Z84 1204 CLC to WSB 1225
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
2Z42 1330 TAU to CLC 1355
5Z42 1358 CLC to BRI 1503
1Z32 1215 PAD to CLC 1419
5Z50 1424 CLC to TAU 1444
1Z50 1459 TAU to CLC 1519
5L74 1524 CLC to SWI 1649
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
1Z33 1415 PAD to CLC 1602
5Z51 1612 CLC to TAU 1632
1Z51 1642 TAU to CLC 1702
1Z34 2040 SWI to CLC 2130
5Z54 2140 CLC to SPM 2305
5Z91 2335 CLC to WSB 2356
Friday 24th June
1Z30 0935 PAD to CLC 1113
1Z31 1115 PAD to CLC 1313
Monday 27th June
5Z04 0433 WSB to CLC 0453
5Z30 0342 SPM to CLC 0507
1Z30 0515 CLC to PAD 0714
5Z82 0622 WSB to CLC 0647
5Z31 0658 SPM to CLC 0825
1Z31 0840 CLC to PAD 1043
5Z52 0725 PAD to CLC 0859
1Z52 0910 CLC to TAU 0930
5Z32 0940 CLC to CLC 0959
5Z41 0938 WSB to CLC 1000
2Z41 1005 CLC to SWI 1103
1Z32 1010 CLC to PAD 1234
5Z51 0920 SWI to CLC 1035
1Z51 1045 CLC to TAU 1105
5Z33 1111 TAU to CLC 1133
5Z84 1147 SWI to CLC 1254
5Z34 1220 SWI to CLC 1333
1Z34 1345 CLC to PAD 1602
5Z37 1216 PAD to CLC 1413
1Z37 1423 CLC to RDG 1605
5Z34 1410 TAU to CLC 1429
5Z53 1248 PAD to CLC 1434
1Z53 1444 CLC to TAU 1504
5Z35 1510 TAU to CLC 1529
5Z56 1420 SWI to CLC 1534
1Z35 1540 CLC to SWI 1645
5Z86 1541 WSB to CLC 1610
5Z35 1510 TAU to CLC 1629
1Z35 1540 CLC to SWI 1645
1Z56 1540 CLC to TAU 1604
5Z86 1541 WSB to CLC 1610
5Z36 1614 TAU to CLC 1634
1Z36 1640 CLC to PAD 1859
5Z38 1701 SWI to CLC 1756
1Z38 1806 CLC to PAD 2005
5Z42 1840 WSB to CLC 1906
2Z42 1910 CLC to BRI 2009
>
>
> CLC = Castle Cary
> BRI = Bristol Temple Meads
> TAU = Taunton
> WSB = Westbury
> SWI = Swindon
> SPM = St Phillips Marsh
> RDG = Reading
Looks like another chance to catch the 31s on an unusual route. Castle Cary, Frome (I hope), Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon.
If there were still trains to Glastonbury it would make enough money to run the line for a year
Last edited by James on Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sounds like my vanJames wrote:This is due to them being VERY expensive to hire and
VERY unlikely to last more than one day without shagging out.
If Mr Eavis hadn't given all the dosh to CND he could have rebuilt the Glastonbury line and the S&D by now.James wrote:If there were still trains to Glastonbury it would make enough money to run the line for a year
Okay, I've not looked. Which line would actually better serve the festival. I have a feeling it would be the S&D?
Cheers for those times. Very useful to know as again they haven't published these times on the Wessex website! Don't know what time I'll be going down, but may well end up on one of those extra services. I'll probably be going via Taunton rather than via Westbury.
Would have thought they might have put on a few extra services from Bristol though, to ease congestion on the scheduled Weymouth and Portsmouth services and bearing in mind many people will be travelling via Bristol from South Wales, Midlands, and the North. Though maybe they'll put extra carriages onto some of the scheduled services.
I believe also Virgin Trains are running a few extra services down to Taunton too. Anyone got the details of those?
Would have thought they might have put on a few extra services from Bristol though, to ease congestion on the scheduled Weymouth and Portsmouth services and bearing in mind many people will be travelling via Bristol from South Wales, Midlands, and the North. Though maybe they'll put extra carriages onto some of the scheduled services.
I believe also Virgin Trains are running a few extra services down to Taunton too. Anyone got the details of those?
31s into Taunton today 
They've been reported on
2M82 07.20 Frome to Swindon
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
I think they're on all the 2Z ones? I'm confused...I want to go and see them but don't understand the geek speak
How do I find out which trains are definitely 31-hauled?
They've been reported on
2M82 07.20 Frome to Swindon
5Z83 1007 CLC to TAU 1033
2Z41 1135 TAU to CLC 1201
2Z85 1423 SWI to CLC 1538
5Z85 1544 CLC to SWI 1650
I think they're on all the 2Z ones? I'm confused...I want to go and see them but don't understand the geek speak
How do I find out which trains are definitely 31-hauled?
I don't know if this is anything to do with the extra services but there seem to be a lot of trains to Frome now...I want to go there because it has an interesting looking station but I've only seen about 2 pictures.
Ok here's another weird ticket thing:
Taunton - Castle Cary - Frome - Castle Cary - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
Taunton - Castle Cary - Frome - Westbury - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
Or
Taunton - Westbury - Frome - Westbury - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
But...
Taunton - Westbury - Taunton = ú12.50 Cheap Day Return
I can go to Westbury and then back to Frome for ú2.50 cheaper than it costs to go to Westbury
Shame that doesn't work for the Lawrence Hill thing
Ok here's another weird ticket thing:
Taunton - Castle Cary - Frome - Castle Cary - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
Taunton - Castle Cary - Frome - Westbury - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
Or
Taunton - Westbury - Frome - Westbury - Taunton = ú10 Cheap Day Return
But...
Taunton - Westbury - Taunton = ú12.50 Cheap Day Return
I can go to Westbury and then back to Frome for ú2.50 cheaper than it costs to go to Westbury
Shame that doesn't work for the Lawrence Hill thing
Pictures from today here: http://mostlyrailways.fotopic.net/c589902.html
Pete: If you want to use these to plug any gaps on the site, feel free!
There were delays and failures all over the place today, but the 31s kept running...albeit with NO AIR CONDITIONING.
It was hot enough on a near-empty train from Taunton to Castle Cary, but when I rode in the same set from Westbury to Castle Cary it was absolutely jam packed...I won't say standing room only because there wasn't any! Every available space was full of people and bags, and the sweat was streaming off everyone...a lot of people were looking very close to fainting...it was that bloody hot.
MK2's have air conditioning? WHY NOT USE IT? If the 31s are incapable or powering the train's air conditioning then Wessex have been extremely short-sighted...or perhaps negligent is a more accurate term
Pete: If you want to use these to plug any gaps on the site, feel free!
There were delays and failures all over the place today, but the 31s kept running...albeit with NO AIR CONDITIONING.
It was hot enough on a near-empty train from Taunton to Castle Cary, but when I rode in the same set from Westbury to Castle Cary it was absolutely jam packed...I won't say standing room only because there wasn't any! Every available space was full of people and bags, and the sweat was streaming off everyone...a lot of people were looking very close to fainting...it was that bloody hot.
MK2's have air conditioning? WHY NOT USE IT? If the 31s are incapable or powering the train's air conditioning then Wessex have been extremely short-sighted...or perhaps negligent is a more accurate term
Excellent pics of Frome! I shall definitely harvest those when the time comesJames wrote:Pictures from today here: http://mostlyrailways.fotopic.net/c589902.html
Pete: If you want to use these to plug any gaps on the site, feel free!
Andrew has also recently sent me a load from Westbury, so the station building photo you took will go down well with those as well! I need Trowbridge to fill the gap from Bradford on Avon. Got any? (I really need to get to Bathampton Junction too so I can link the Bradford on Avon, Freshford, Avoncliff, Westbury etc section to the Bath page)Maybe they figured that the passengers were 'only a bunch of smelly old hippies' and figured it might be fun to leave the air-con off... I'd hope not though.James wrote: There were delays and failures all over the place today, but the 31s kept running...albeit with NO AIR CONDITIONING.
MK2's have air conditioning? WHY NOT USE IT? If the 31s are incapable or powering the train's air conditioning then Wessex have been extremely short-sighted...or perhaps negligent is a more accurate term
Mind you, in some ways you can't blame them entirely. It is Glastonbury weekend after all.... it should be chucking it down outside!
I forgot to mention that the 31s went through Frome on the way from Westbury - Castle Cary...pity I couldn't combine the two!
The thing I like most about the Frome loop is that it doesn't have welded track...lovely clunky fishplate-joint noises!
Also someone needs to do some trimming along the mainline there...trees were literally scraping along the sides of the trains
I had a look at various websites and 31s don't have any train heating equipment...presumably this also means they don't have train cooling equipment either! Stupid Wessex...
Why do some MK2s have sealed windows and others have sliding ventilators like MK1s? They would have made more sense if there are any left...
The thing I like most about the Frome loop is that it doesn't have welded track...lovely clunky fishplate-joint noises!
Also someone needs to do some trimming along the mainline there...trees were literally scraping along the sides of the trains
I had a look at various websites and 31s don't have any train heating equipment...presumably this also means they don't have train cooling equipment either! Stupid Wessex...
Why do some MK2s have sealed windows and others have sliding ventilators like MK1s? They would have made more sense if there are any left...
Gerroutofit!! 31s ain't called Peds for nothingJames wrote:I had a look at various websites and 31s don't have any train heating equipment...presumably this also means they don't have train cooling equipment either! Stupid Wessex...
ped=pedestrian and relates to their performance after being fitted with train heating. The ETH equipment takes all the power (apparently) The 31/4s are the ETH fitted ones, not sure about 31601, I think she's a bog standard 31/1 (no heating) with wiring that allows proper multi-working with a 31/4.
Don't quote me on that though...
Oh hang on, Fragonset's webpage provides the details:
http://www.fragonset.co.uk/31.htm
Of course, I have absolutely no idea how this relates to air-con!
Have you seen this one?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3 ... 37,00.html
HEAT HELL FOR PASSENGERS
Train passengers trapped in carriages for two hours on a broken down train were forced to break windows to escape as dozens fainted in the heat.
The GNER train from Newcastle to Kings Cross ground to a halt just outside Peterborough at 5.25pm due an overhead power failure.
Passengers were advised not to leave the train and were told a replacement diesel engine was on its way.
According to 70-year-old Michael Steed, the temperature inside the carriages rose to 115F and people began to panic and pass out.
He said: "It was dreadful. At first everyone was quite cheerful but then we were all in a lot of discomfort.
"People were fainting and repeatedly pulling the emergency cord.
"Eventually a woman having a panic attack grabbed the emergency hammer and broke through the window."
Initially, the hundreds of passengers on the train, which was full, were able to buy water and drinks.
These soon ran out leaving them without water.
After two hours the passengers were finally allowed to get off the train, as doctors treated people who were ill.
The fire brigade and police arrived at the trackside to give emergency treatment.
A spokesman for GNER at the scene described it as a major incident.
He said: "The priority was to help the people who were really quiet ill."
A relief train came from Peterborough to collect passengers waiting by the line and return them to Peterborough station shortly before 10pm.
Shadow Transport Secretary Alan Duncan said: "We all understand the dangers of people leaving a carriage, but it looks mad to keep people cooking inside on a day like this.
"I think we need a real explanation of how decisions were made and why they were taken."
Can you believe the idiocy of keping those people in the train when, because the power was off, they could have sat right in the middle of the track and not been in any danger??
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3 ... 37,00.html
HEAT HELL FOR PASSENGERS
Train passengers trapped in carriages for two hours on a broken down train were forced to break windows to escape as dozens fainted in the heat.
The GNER train from Newcastle to Kings Cross ground to a halt just outside Peterborough at 5.25pm due an overhead power failure.
Passengers were advised not to leave the train and were told a replacement diesel engine was on its way.
According to 70-year-old Michael Steed, the temperature inside the carriages rose to 115F and people began to panic and pass out.
He said: "It was dreadful. At first everyone was quite cheerful but then we were all in a lot of discomfort.
"People were fainting and repeatedly pulling the emergency cord.
"Eventually a woman having a panic attack grabbed the emergency hammer and broke through the window."
Initially, the hundreds of passengers on the train, which was full, were able to buy water and drinks.
These soon ran out leaving them without water.
After two hours the passengers were finally allowed to get off the train, as doctors treated people who were ill.
The fire brigade and police arrived at the trackside to give emergency treatment.
A spokesman for GNER at the scene described it as a major incident.
He said: "The priority was to help the people who were really quiet ill."
A relief train came from Peterborough to collect passengers waiting by the line and return them to Peterborough station shortly before 10pm.
Shadow Transport Secretary Alan Duncan said: "We all understand the dangers of people leaving a carriage, but it looks mad to keep people cooking inside on a day like this.
"I think we need a real explanation of how decisions were made and why they were taken."
Can you believe the idiocy of keping those people in the train when, because the power was off, they could have sat right in the middle of the track and not been in any danger??
Sheer idiocy...again... 
That could have been today, except for the fact that the door windows were open, and the vestibule doors were knackered, so once you opened them they stayed open, allowing a path for a little air circulation. Although that only happened when the train was crawling...any faster and the airflow stopped
The HST service before the Glasto shuttle was cancelled so there were twice as many people on the 31s anyway...I doubt anyone on there will want to travel by train again, and not just to the festival!
That could have been today, except for the fact that the door windows were open, and the vestibule doors were knackered, so once you opened them they stayed open, allowing a path for a little air circulation. Although that only happened when the train was crawling...any faster and the airflow stopped
The HST service before the Glasto shuttle was cancelled so there were twice as many people on the 31s anyway...I doubt anyone on there will want to travel by train again, and not just to the festival!
The mark 2 coaching stock evolved over many years and eventually there were seven basic variations; mark 2, and 2A through to 2F. The first mark 2's were not air conditioned, hence the sliding window vents.
The air conditioning on mark 2A - 2F stock was never that good, especially when the temperature rose above 20 degrees.
With temperatures nudging 30 degrees this week I'm not surprised the Wessex set aircon failed so miserably. It shouldn't be a problem today though, because traditional Glastonbury Festival weather prevails and as I write it's absolutely hammering down. I suspect that next week we'll be transporting not only the returning festival-goers but also a large proportion of Mr. Eavis' feilds in the form of gooey mud.
The air conditioning on mark 2A - 2F stock was never that good, especially when the temperature rose above 20 degrees.
With temperatures nudging 30 degrees this week I'm not surprised the Wessex set aircon failed so miserably. It shouldn't be a problem today though, because traditional Glastonbury Festival weather prevails and as I write it's absolutely hammering down. I suspect that next week we'll be transporting not only the returning festival-goers but also a large proportion of Mr. Eavis' feilds in the form of gooey mud.