Avon Valley Railway Gala 2011 - 15th and 16th October

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Post by carpetcone »

I attended on Saturday. I decided to travel using the FGW all inclusive offer.

The station I went to did not have the computers working and the person on duty wasn't sure whether his mobile machine would issue me a ticket. As it happens it did, at the advance price as well, was this correct? but it would not issue the concessionary rate for the AVR part so they had to pay the same as me ú9. (Note to any AVR members to get this looked at maybe?)

The train from Weston S Mare was a two car unit standing room only and the Westbury train from BTM was jammed solid. Not an attractive way to encourage people to give up the car, go green etc etc.

On arrival at Keynsham the roadworks on the bridge over the Avon were obviously holding up the bus service but we arrived in time for the 11:14 departure at Bitton to Oldland Common. Two Bristol REs and an MW provided the bus link to and from Cadburys at Keynsham.

The booking office staff were not aware of the railways offer of a FREE timetable to paying passengers and they insisted it was ú2, eventually changing their minds, they also had never seen an inclusive FGW ticket before which caused them and the ticket inspectors on the train, some added interest!

It was apparent that there had been a serious issue with the points at Bitton so the Black 5 and Jessie were stuck on the Riverside section with the other locos running between Bitton and Oldland Common.

When they reopened the line across Bitton bridge, the train went straight through Bitton to Riverside. There the Black 5 was attached and on the return it went straight through again to the obvious annoyment to passengers waiting on the platform for some time, even though a Pines Express had been time tabled around the same time to do exactly this.

Of course, those of us on the train actually had a bonus with the non stop and non jerky, haulage of a main line type loco, so no complaints from us :D

To be honest, there was a lot of confusion and bad information given out over the PA system. Telling passengers that the train "may..or may not stop" was pretty poor PR. The comments I heard from many other passengers, most of which were the "family day trip" variety were not good.

I appreciate that the points incident was a one off, I wonder what caused it? There seemed to be a broken lever and the PW staff were working on the point levers for the rest of the day, digging out holes for concrete bases to go in which in fact did provide some addded attraction to the visitors.

The highlight for me was the Black 5 non stop Riverside to Oldland Common and a total of five engines in steam.

The catering was also to be reccomended.
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AVR GALA OCT 2011

Post by devonbelle »

There was an accident yesterday morning, damaging the points which caused disruption.

Today worked well, lots of happy visitors. I was on duty at Bitton and full train plan ran.

Comments noted about the confusing p.a. Announcements I will follow up with the staff concerned. Paul
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Post by BristleGWR »

I attended the Gala yesterday and today, decided to leave early yesterday due to the points problem, but was there most of the day today (mainly travelled in the morning and photographed in the afternoon).

A big thank you to all at the AVR.

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Post by Robin Summerhill »

BristleGWR wrote:I .... was there most of the day today (mainly travelled in the morning and photographed in the afternoon).

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I think I saw you from my position in the leading coach :)

Rather an incongruous pairing on that last train, I thought!
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Post by Roger »

The points damage was caused when the Black 5 was authorised to proceed despite them being set for the other track. A friend of mine witnessed the incident and called out to the effect that the points had not been set correctly but was told it was alright. Then "bang bang bang" as 45379 passed over them and a resultant badly bent points blade. I understand that there was then a "change of personnel".

It was unfortunate that this happened, but they did seem to make the best of efforts once through working had been established albeit without the loop at Bitton.

I was on the Pines Express run from Riverside and I had not heard a locomotive being given its head on the railway like the Black 5 - the run was awesome.

With so many knowledgeable enthusiasts about on Saturday it was difficult to disguise what had happened.
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Post by free2grice »

Roger wrote:The points damage was caused when the Black 5 was authorised to proceed despite them being set for the other track. A friend of mine witnessed the incident and called out to the effect that the points had not been set correctly but was told it was alright. Then "bang bang bang" as 45379 passed over them and a resultant badly bent points blade.
A key member of staff at Bitton station informed me that ''this sort of thing happens to the best of railways!!'' .....I think not. I hope that they don't mention that to the railway inspectorate. With an attitude like that this railway needs to change it's ways, and quickly. <BJ>
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running through points

Post by oldchapie »

To run through a pair of points is nothing new to railway work there are too many reasons to point out why but to happen at Bitton is nowhere different as to any where else no doubt an enquirery will take place and a disipline awarded to someone. it is the damage to the points that is to costly bit of this mistake.
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Post by Robin Summerhill »

We of course only have part of the story.

Roger tells us that his friend pointed (no pun intended) out the problem and was told it was "all right." If the person who told him that was in charge of the operation, then clearly he should be trusted on no more than sweeping the platform in future.

If the person who said it was "all right" was just the tea-maker having 10 minutes off, it would be another matter entirely although, even then, he should have brought it to the attention of the person in charge.
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Post by free2grice »

On a more positive note, 'Black 5' no. 45379 has been lit up in readiness for tomorrow evenings steam departures. I have been informed that they depart at 19:15 and 20:30 at a cost of ú6.50 for a ticket. <BJ>
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Post by antnee »

Thanks for posting those photos up The ones at dusk are really good.
Sorry but spelling is just not my forte
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Post by mow »

From the AVR webisite.

"The Black 5 No. 45379, a long-term resident of Bitton in the 1970s and 1980s, has finally returned to Bitton. The picture above shows the gleaming locomotive on shed with our other guest locomotive, GWR Pannier No. 1369, on the morning of Wednesday 5th October.

The Black 5's next official duty will be during the day on Wednesday 19th October when it will run to Timetable A (first train at 11am and then every hour and a quarter until 4pm).

It will also be running on the evening of the 19th with two trips at 7.15pm and 8.30pm. These evening trips are in memory of Trevor Poole, a volunteer who spent a considerable amount of time helping to restore the Black 5, who died earlier this year. Normal fares apply to both daytime and evening fares."
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Post by john2006 »

Thanks all for your comments from the weekend, especially to carpetcone for your information regarding the FGW joint ticket etc and BristleGWR for some great photos, as usual!

I will ensure any comments are passed on to the relevant people. Regards. John.
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Post by simon »

Managed to make it for a couple of hours late on Sunday. Great to see the black 5 running after being there for its arrival form Barry 35 odd years a go

A few pics:

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Post by get_that_bus_out »

free2grice wrote: A key member of staff at Bitton station informed me that ''this sort of thing happens to the best of railways!!'' .....I think not. I hope that they don't mention that to the railway inspectorate. With an attitude like that this railway needs to change it's ways, and quickly. <BJ>
Unfortunately in any operation that is run by humans, occasional mistakes will be made, and without wishing to pre-empt the results of the AVR's investigation this was most likely just that: a single mistake. The suggestion that this is symptomatic of a lax attitude on the part of operating staff* is frankly verging on the offensive. Rest assured that the incident will be investigated fully and lessons learned to ensure there is no repeat; I think without a full knowledge of the facts and circumstances of the incident, speculation from the not-fully-informed is potentially unhelpful. The relevant regulatory authorities were informed immediately after the incident occurred and gave the go-ahead for operations to continue.

As for the scoffing about this sort of thing not happening to the "best of railways", it can and does. You may find this page from the RAIB's website (listing a range of investigations into much more serious incidents that a run-through of trailing points, and including incidents at some of the country's more high-profile operations) informative and illustrative:

https://aib-cms.co.uk/sites/raib/public ... ations.cfm

*full disclosure: I'm one of them. And no, it wasn't me.
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Post by free2grice »

Roger wrote:A friend of mine witnessed the incident and called out to the effect that the points had not been set correctly but was told it was alright. Then "bang bang bang" as 45379 passed over them and a resultant badly bent points blade. I understand that there was then a "change of personnel".
Let's be grateful that the result was not more serious. <BJ>
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