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Rapid transport link to beat gridlock (Inc a shocking idea!)

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THE RAPID TRANSPORT ROUTE TO BEAT THE GRIDLOCK

(See bolded points for the important stuff - it doesn't look good for the Severn Beach line :( let's hope these plans get scrapped!)

09:53 - 24 September 2005 from the Western Daily Press

Radical plans to tackle Bristol's chronic congestion problems and end the daily misery of hundreds of thousands of commuters, by completely reshaping the way people travel around the region, were given a mixed reaction yesterday. Experts yesterday unveiled the fine print for an ambitious ú500million scheme to beat gridlock on the roads and improve poor public transport links.

The Greater Bristol Transport Study (GBTS) outlines a number of short-term and long-term strategies to stop the region's roads and railways grinding to a halt over the next 25 years, during which time the area's population is expected to grow by 250,000.

But politicians, business leaders and pressure groups were divided yesterday over the plans, some of which are certain to spark widespread controversy.

Key proposals include transforming Worle, near Weston-super-Mare, into a major transport hub where trains, long-distance coaches and local buses will connect to provide passengers with improved links - particularly with Bristol International Airport.

Experts see the Worle hub as one of a number of short-term goals that could be in place by 2016.

A more controversial, longer-term proposal is to consign the suburban rail line between Bristol Temple Meads and Severn Beach to history, replacing it with a bus-based Rapid Transit scheme that would allow more frequent journeys than the railway can offer.

The limitations of the largely single-track railway and problems of fitting trains into the crowded network between long-distance services means, at best, only an hourly service can be run on the Severn Beach line.

But experts from consultants Atkins, who carried out the study, said the bus-based Rapid Transport scheme would increase the frequency to every 10 or 15 minutes.

A number of other Rapid Transit routes dissecting Bristol from north to south and east to west are among the proposals, as is a link between Bath and Cribbs Causeway.

Rapid Transit is also the favoured method of improving connections between Bristol and Portishead, which makes it even less likely the railway line to Portishead will be resurrected.

But David Redgewell, spokesman for pressure group Transport 2000, said Atkins was wrong to dismiss plans for investment in railways and a tram scheme in favour of the busled scheme.

Mr Redgewell said: "Rapid Transit buses won't work - they won't encourage people out of their cars.

"These plans would be laughed out of any other city in England or Europe. Nowhere relies on buses as much as these awful plans."


Another controversial proposal in the GBTS is to charge big businesses on the northern fringes of Bristol premiums to allow staff to park at work in a bid to cut down on the number of rush-hour car journeys.

About 500,000 car journeys are made in and around the city every day and, unless more people can be encouraged to car-share or use public transport, traffic in the area will grind to a halt, the experts warned.

However, business chiefs hit back yesterday at the plans. Nigel Hutchings, of Business West, formerly the Chamber of Commerce, labelled the scheme "unfair".

He said: "It's yet another tax on business. We all use transport, it does not seem fair that it is going to hit businesses."

Tim Pearce, of Bristol and England Properties, developers of the Bristol Business Park in Stoke Gifford where about 2,000 people work, said: "It would be disastrous. People travel to the north fringe from a 20- to 50-mile radius, so using improved public transport would not be the answer."

In South Gloucestershire, the Winterbourne bypass could finally become a reality and Bristol Parkway railway station could get a fourth platform to improve the frequency of services between the West and London Paddington.

A proposal to complete the A4174 ring road south of Bristol would "take an enormous amount of traffic off the congested A4, A37 and A38 roads", an Atkins spokesman said.

That idea was welcomed by politicians at Bath and North East Somerset Council.

Speaking about the planned Worle transport interchange, Mike Roe, of North Somerset Council, said: "If the Government wants the West of England region to grow, the Government must fund it."

Members of the public are invited to comment on the study. Booklets outlining the proposals will be available at libraries, or residents can log on to www.gbts.com

Atkins will deliver a final report to the Department for Transport and the four local unitary authorities, who will then decide which schemes should be taken forward over the next 25 years.

ROADS

Major boost to commuters in south Bristol with the extension of the A4174 Ring Road. The new section would link Hicks Gate, near Keynsham, with the A370 at Long Ashton. Experts say this will help ease congestion on the gridlocked A4, A37 and A38 to the south of the city.

The study includes plans to move junction 21 of the M5 at Weston-super-Mare further south to ease congestion experienced when local traffic on the A370 meets with motorway traffic heading for the resort.

New road planned between junction 20 of the M5 at Clevedon and the A370 near Long Ashton, to provide a new link between the motorway and south Bristol.

RAIL

Worle station, currently just a rail halt on Weston-superMare's single track loop line, to be transformed into a major regional transport hub.

The proposals would sound the death knell for Bristol's historic suburban railway line between Temple Meads and Severn Beach. The line would be ripped up and replaced with a more flexible, bus-based Rapid Transport system.

New infrastructure at Yate and Weston-super-Mare railway stations, together with re-signalling across the Bristol area, to create scope for a major increase in cross-city rail services linking Yate and Weston.

Other key infrastructure improvements to improve rail travel across the region.


BUSES

The study backs a busbased Rapid Transit system to transform public transport in the area. The Streetcar - a bus and tram hybrid - is seen as a likely contender. Initial routes would dissect the city, running between Long Ashton and Emerson's Green, and Hengrove-Cribbs Causeway/Aztec West. Other routes are planned, including BathCribbs Causeway and, controversially, Whitchurch to Portishead, replacing the Severn Beach rail line.

New park-and-ride facilities planned across the region, with improvements to existing sites also mooted.

A number of Showcase Bus Routes, similar to the existing successful HartcliffeSouthmead route, are planned.

CHARGES

Congestion charging in the city centre is seen as a much longer-term strategy and one that the study's consultants, Atkins, say would have to be linked to a national, Government-led scheme. But if introduced, it could cost up to ú2 a kilometre (0.6 miles) to use the city's main roads.

The GBTS favours increased parking charges for motorists driving into city centres, especially for long stays.

Controversially, the study includes plans to hammer big businesses in the northern fringes of the city with premiums for allowing staff to drive to work. Staff at Aztec West, for example, would be forced to pay to park at work - a move that has already been criticised by business chiefs.
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Graham wrote:RAIL

Worle station, currently just a rail halt on Weston-superMare's single track loop line, to be transformed into a major regional transport hub.
Nice to know they've got their facts straight... :roll:

Looks like it's time to get a ride on the Severn Beach line then. I hope they don't obliterate all track of the railway's history with the new bus thing.

Buses are crap. :evil:
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makes my blood boil!

There is such a startingly simple method to re-vitalise the Severn Beach Line and sort Portishead out at the same time. Answer: re-quadruple the track from Narroways Hill to Parson Street, so un-wisely reduced to double by BR in the 84. Local services then use the restored relief lines and long distance the existing main lines. The track bed is there, the re-signalling is happening anyway so now is an ideal time to do it.

If Parkway is to get an extra platform, maybe make it two and reinstate Henbury station for diverted Severn Beach services to Parkway. Not good for Severn Beach I know, but far more traffic potential and this would "ease the congestion in the north of the city".

Anybody knows the "supertram" was never going to run alongside network rail to Filton, so why not build it where it would be of some use, i.e. Staple Hill - Fishponds - Lawrence Hill - TM - Central Loop - TM Brislington - Whitchurch, all on existing tackbed (sorry cycletrack).

The lack of knowledge about rail by so-called modern day "transport consultants" is astonishing - I suspect most of them nevedr get out of their cars and wouldn't know a train if it hit them!
The limitations of the largely single-track railway
- THEN DOUBLE IT AGAIN!
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The lack of knowledge about rail by so-called modern day "transport consultants" is astonishing - I suspect most of them nevedr get out of their cars and wouldn't know a train if it hit them!
Very very true! What's the point of spending all this money on these shiny new buses, which very few will use, and ripping up a decent and reliable rail system with huge potential - just making a few improvements with minimal cost would provide a hugely successful system!

The only half-decent idea in the artice is to make an extra platform at Bristol Parkway (But an extra FOURTH platform? There are only two at the moment! surely 2 + 1 = 3?). An extra platform is needed for local Wessex trains to allow Virgin trains to fly past. Currently, Wessex trains have to often wait at Westerleigh for Virgin trains to bypass them but it would be much better at Bristol Parkway. This platform could also be used for Henbury services. The other one they're talking about may be a good idea also, making it 4.

I feel that turning the Severn Beach railway into a road is just madness. They'll have to widen it in many places to make room for a carriageway for buses, so why not just widen it to make a double track throughout the SB line as jules explained, and adding two relief lines to the mainline track? Then they can have these extra services they're mentioning for a much lower price.

Opening up the Henbury route, with a station at Henbury with frequent buses to and from Henbury station and Cribbs Causeway is a much better idea, too. Well publicised, this could be a runaway, low-cost success, with reliable services from Bristol Temple Meads to Bristol Parkway and back every half hour. Compare this to the current half-baked idea of bus services all over the place - the rail idea is MUCH better. I'd also recommend making sure Severn Beach doesn't miss out with some extra services going here at peak times.

The Portishead rail link plan should not just be abandoned like this either. It's another example where the 'experts' think magic buses will solve everything, but with the current traffic situation as bad it is around Portishead this is very unlikely.

Finally the Worle idea - another ludicrous one. As far as I know, the Weston-Super-Mare line is double track, so why not make WSM the 'hub' instead? I know for a fact that this station has excellent road links with the A370/A371 and a very good car park, unlike Worle.
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I can only assume the government are paying millions for a report that was clearly conceived on the back of a fag packet at closing time...

Let's take the ridiculous idea of the Severn Beach line being ripped up for buses.

Firstly, is there a need for a 10-15 minute service regardless of the transportation device? Nope.

Secondly. the route has been used twice of late as a diversionary route when engineering work has blocked the mainline, and has had a bucket load of money upgrading it for that use. If the line is lost there will be no diversionary route.

Thirdly. Where will the buses go once they get to Narroways Junction? Either they'll cross the mainlines (presumably on a bridge of some sort) and use the trackbed of the lifted lines through Stapleton Road across the M32 on a viaduct that we've constantly been told is far too unsafe to allow trains to ever use again. Or, they'll shift the current running lines so that they go across the unsafe viaduct and run the buses down the current trackbed. Whichever way they use, how do they get into Temple Meads? There is no room for either busway or new track into the station, and no spare platform faces for a bus to stop at. There would also have to be room at Temple Meads for the bus to turn around, something a train obviously doesn't need to do.

Fourthly. In the opposite direction. The busway would have to go through St Andrews Road and then cross the junction with the proposed new container depot that is planned for Avonmouth. So, again the bus would have to use some kind of flyover to reach Severn Beach. They can't be planning to cross on the level surely??

Now we already know from estimates to reopen things like the Portishead branch that building flyovers, moving trackbeds and all the rest of it will cost absolutely millions upon millions. (How much is that new bridge across the railway at Taunton costing?) So, the proposal is to rip up an 'integrated' transport system that could be upgraded at relatively little cost, and replace it with a 'separate' transport system that will cost far more than the estimated ú500 million to implement even the smallest part of?

The report is an ill-conceived, ridiculous waste of time and effort, thought out by ill-educated, pea-brained time wasters.
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In Today's Times

A short article on the proposed concrete bus lanes.

Railways to be turned into concrete bus lanes
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent



TRACKS on branch railway lines are to be torn up and replaced with concrete channels, under plans to attract people out of cars by replacing trains with buses.
Guided busways will be installed on several sections of 150-year-old railway that ministers believe no longer carry enough people to justify their subsidy. Small guidewheels are fitted to the front of ordinary buses, which can travel at up to 60mph along the busways without the need for the driver to steer.



The buses can switch to roads at the end of the busway and take passengers to their destinations. But rail enthusiasts argue that buses are no substitute for trains and that people prefer to glide through the countryside on steel wheels running on rails rather than on tyres humming on concrete.

The Government has already approved a busway in Leigh, near Manchester, which will run on disused railway line. Alistair Darling, the Transport Secretary, is also considering a busway from Cambridge to St Ives along a 12-mile (19 km) railway line that last carried passenger trains in 1990. Another busway is planned for the disused Luton to Dunstable line in Bedfordshire.

A Department for Transport study last month proposed converting to a busway the 13-mile Severn Beach line, one of the most scenic railways in Britain, which runs from Bristol to the Severn. If the first schemes prove successful, ministers are expected to press for dozens of little-used branch lines to be converted. More than 50 branch lines covering 1,300 miles are being redesignated as ôcommunity railwaysö in an attempt to cut costs by adopting lower standards of maintenance. The Government made it clear last year that it would be unwilling to continue subsidising these lines beyond 2009 unless they attracted many more passengers.

Mr Darling said: ôIf a line is not working, not carrying people and its costs are not coming down, then, of course, youÆve got to look at that.ö

Closing dozens of lines is deemed to be politically unacceptable, but the Government hopes to assuage rail enthusiasts by converting them to busways.

Cast Iron, the campaign to restore train services between Cambridge and St Ives, said that buses had an irredeemable image problem. Jerry Alderson, a spokesman, said: ôPeople donÆt want to catch buses because, unlike trains, they are seen as cheap and demeaning. Outside London, you tend to see only women with children, pensioners and students catching buses.ö

He said that restoring the tracks to carry passenger trains would cost ú30 million, compared with at least ú86 million to construct the busway. But he acknowledged that the busway would be far cheaper to operate. The concrete guideways require little maintenance and the buses would attract more passengers with their ôdoor-to-doorö service. Buses would run every ten minutes, compared with an hourly service on most branch lines.

Unlike bus lanes, which are frequently blocked by illegal parking, busways would be used exclusively by buses. Car traps, or pits between the concrete channels, would be dug at each end.

Bob Menzies, the head of the Cambridge busway project, said that the busway would not need any operating subsidy. ôWe believe that we can attract people who have two cars outside their homes but donÆt want to sit in congestion on the A14.ö

But Railfuture, which campaigns for an expanding railway, said: ôThis is a misguided attempt to save money which will set a dangerous precedent for rural lines. Once the bus hits the road in Cambridge it will still have to contend with all the other traffic, and delays will be inevitable. Trains have a far superior ambience.ö
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Just think if it is succesful, the guded bus way that is, then they will have to put on extra buses, three buses running behind one another, and to save money they will have one driver at the front and link them all together. My goodness a train.
What every one is forgeting is the fact that regardless of what you put on the line it will never become profitable, it is there as a social requirement.

The biggest cost for any thing like this is maintenance and her comes the point i would like to make.

Atkins who carried out the scheme have maintainance contracts for roads, not railways, now maybe, well maybe just maybe, a little bit of job creation here, not wanting to incriminate myself here but it does make me wonder.
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From Today's Evening Post

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BUILD BUSWAY OVER RAIL LINE
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11:00 - 10 October 2005
Government advisers want to concrete over the Bristol to Severn Beach railway line and turn it into a special bus route. They say the multi-million pound scheme could be a way of solving some of the city's transport problems.

It would mean tearing up 13 miles of track and laying concrete channels to guide buses that would be capable of running at up to 60mph.

The line currently carries nearly 1,000 passengers a day.

The route would be called a busway with the vehicles having small guidewheels fitted to the front of ordinary buses, which would eliminate the need for the driver to steer.

The buses could switch to roads at the end of the concrete channels.

The proposals are included within the ú500 million Greater Bristol Transport Study, an ambitious 26-year blueprint for the city and its outlying areas.

The introduction of concrete channels is seen as a way of transforming under-used railway lines which rely on large government subsidies.

The Greater Bristol Transport Study, which was commissioned by the local authorities in the Bristol area, states guided buses would lead to greater frequency and shorter waiting times on the Bristol to Severn Beach route.

But any move to tear up the train tracks is likely to be met with opposition from campaigners.

The railway runs from Temple Meads through Lawrence Hill, Montpelier, Redland, Clifton Downs, Avonmouth and Severn Beach. It was opened in 1865 and was originally called the Bristol Port Railway and Pier.

Peter Tyzack, the South Gloucestershire councillor for Pilning and South Beach, said that, while he was in favour of replacing redundant railway lines, he did not believe the Bristol to Severn Beach line was under-used enough to be replaced.

He said: "This is a proposal that has happened in other parts of the country and I am not completely averse to the idea of replacing redundant train lines but I would prefer railways to be kept open and more people should be encouraged to use them.

"This track could be made to work and could be really valuable with more investment.

"The Avonmouth train service is a great treasure and it is a great shame that more people don't use it."

Members of the public are currently being asked their views of the transport proposals. Final recommendations from the study are expected by the end of the year.

Wessex Trains, which runs the railway, have stressed the plan only makes a "long- term" recommendation for a guided bus lane by 2031.

The company's franchise ends in March. Companies are competing for the right to run a larger Greater Western franchise which will initially be for seven years.

Wessex Trains' business manager Anne-Marie Delrosa said: "It does need to be heavily consulted on - obviously this would mean the closure of a rail line.

"Last year we had over 340,000 journeys on the line."

More than 50 branch lines across the UK are to become "community railways" with private donors expected to pick up the tab for maintenance.

Transport secretary Alistair Darling last year said the Government would not subsidise these lines beyond 2009 unless they attracted more passengers.

The Government has already approved a busway in Leigh, near Manchester, which will run on a disused line.

And it is also considering a busway from Cambridge to St Ives while another scheme is proposed from Luton to Dunstable in Bedfordshire.

But a Department for Transport spokesman said there was no government agenda to rip up suburban railways and replace them with bus lanes.

She said: "There is no presumption by us that guided bus lanes are the best way forward. We take all local circumstances into account."

The Evening Post reported last month on other proposals included in the Greater Bristol Transport Plan such as the building of a new ring road around south Bristol within the next 10 years, further widening of the M4 and M5 and three new park-and-ride sites.

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mow wrote:"Last year we had over 340,000 journeys on the line."
That's an interesting figure, but I wonder if it means that's how many tickets were bought along the line, or if the figure includes people buying through tickets from other parts of the network.

It would be nice to know what the -exact- maintenance cost for the SB line is too. If we had that we'd know how much it costs to run the line on a per person basis.
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The editorial in todays Bristol Evening Post firmly rejects the idea of the Busway, coming down very favourably on the side of rail.

I really like the Evening Post these last few years. Favourng the SB line, favouring the retention of the Industrial Museum, giving The Point a complete slagging... brilliant stuff :D
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I have travelled on this line on a number of times in the past year, and it is not always easy to buy tickets from the Conductor/Guard especially during the 'peak periods'. If losses are made, the current arrangements do little to minimise them.

Have wondered if Stephen Williams, the new MP for Bristol West has had much mail on this matter, and have also wondered if he intends to raise this matter in Parliament.

For those of you who are concerned enough to write, this website might be helpful.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/stephe ... istol_west

The email address of Bristol West's MP is
WILLIAMSSR@parliament.uk

Hope this helps some of you to highlight your concerns.
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The severn beach line was my first introduction to railways in the late 60's - travelling on those single car railcars 550033/25/31 etc to temple meads to go spotting. I have a number of photos which i am trying to load up onto a site form the early 70's plus others of bristol in the early 70's Including some from my time working at the Avon Valley Railway (then the Bristol Suburban Railway)

Therefore I have a special affection for the severn beach line but i have to say that it is amazing that it still survives given the lack of intergration it has into the rest of the transport structure of bristol.

The only real future for it would be to turn it into a tram like those in Manchester -but we have seen how the government has turned against those.
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There was a report on this at lunchtime on the ITV West News, which showed one of these 'experts' with a bunch of excuses for promoting the buses, one of these buses in use in another part of the country, and also where the bus would go (Apparently at Clifton Down it would get off the rails and go down south to other areas of Bristol instead), plus opinions from Severn Beach customers, Wessex Trains and the presenters themselves. It's definitely worth taping or watching the news at 6pm, ITV1 if you can (I will be!)
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simon wrote:I have a number of photos which i am trying to load up onto a site form the early 70's plus others of bristol in the early 70's Including some from my time working at the Avon Valley Railway (then the Bristol Suburban Railway)
Ah.. well, that's got me frothing at the mouth in anticipation :P Where are these pics!! :wink:
simon wrote:The only real future for it would be to turn it into a tram like those in Manchester -but we have seen how the government has turned against those.
I think a way forward for localised services would be a lightweight train based on modern tram designs. Something light enough to significantly reduce maintenance costs, but something good enough to be used alongside heavy rail when necessary.
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Graham wrote:(Apparently at Clifton Down it would get off the rails and go down south to other areas of Bristol instead), plus opinions from Severn Beach customers, Wessex Trains and the presenters themselves.
They seem to have conviently forgot to previously mention that this new busway would mean the loss of both Redland and Montpelier Stations!

And I would imagine that any Severn Beach customers wanting to get to Temple Meads would have an increased journey time in the region of 3/4s of an hour to an hour.

So this busway will cost millions, serve less people than the current railway, and take longer to reach its destination. Brilliant! :cry:
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